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Moral Problem Of Violence - How Much Violence Can We Stand In Syria Before Wanting To Do Something?

9/13/2013

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Background:
Understanding The Syria Problem From A National Security Perspective
Guns 4: The Absurdity Of The "Stand Your Ground" Law
Gun Laws Across The States Are So Dis-Jointed They Are Almost Schziphrenic
Fox News's Food Stamp "Hypnosis" - Following The Path Of Jesus?

Sam Richards: A radical experiment in empathy (notice how different the situation is with Syria - try the empathy exercise in the appropriate context):
The problem of violence in the States is, how much can they stand. Judging by mainstream media, not very much. But judging by what's actually going on you get a completely different picture:

Disability rights activists support gun permits for the blind, bigger pants make Stephen feel thinner, and recent articles ruin the fun in dissected human cadavers.  (04:58):

The Colbert Report
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Joke: "In America they have guns just lying around unsupervised like a yahoo Libyan!"

A 3-Year-Old Girl Shot and Killed Herself in Yellowstone. How Did She Get Hold of the Gun?

How do kids pick up guns and shoot each other? If there was a zombie apocalypse going on (a real one) then I could understand these sorts of arguments... but what happened to the good old fashioned BB gun?


Guns killing children: An American epidemic  


Kids are shooting kids. Daily News study reveals shocking numbers as the gun rights battle rages on: 40 children accidentally shot by themselves or other kids since Newtown. Add in adult culprits, and there have been at least 120 kids shot dead in all.

Kids are accidentally shooting kids — siblings, friends and themselves — in a tragic trend that isn’t showing any signs of improving. At least 40 children ages 12 and under have died in accidental shootings since the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, a heartbreaking statistic on premeditated crimes versus inadvertent deaths.

Read more.



Article extract:

Guns and kids: the youngest casualties of America's infatuation with firearms - Dear NRA, are you really going to tell me that 'guns don't kill children; children kill children'?

The cover of the recent Children's Defense Fund report (pdf) on gun violence in the United States carries a single statistic:

The number of children and teens killed by guns in one year would fill 134 classrooms of 20 students each.

And then, there's the shameful comparison to other countries:

US children and teens are 17 times more likely to die from a gun than their peers in 25 other high-income countries combined.


Strange:


Keeping Kids From Toy Guns: How One Mother Changed Her Mind Is violent play bad? I used to think so. Then I spent some time outside of the United States.

IMO: Playing with guns is fine. It's the playing with real guns that's not fine. But I also don't think giving a toddler a BB gun is a good idea. There should be some sort of level of accomplishment of responsibility for your child to own & use a BB gun right? Then they move forward from there?

My own analysis of the gun debate, though I'm willing to make concession on the assault rifle thing for better State Militias. Though I think a 3-4 bullet cartridge for non-militia members is fine on a State level. But the American People seem pretty settled on thier views.

If not, here are some ideas:

Guns 3: Gun Free Zones

Guns 4: The Absurdity Of The "Stand Your Ground" Law
"Remember kids: guns are like gum -- you have to bring enough for the entire class." :

The Colbert Report
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How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?  Slate partners with @GunDeaths for an interactive, crowdsourced tally of the toll firearms have taken since Dec. 14.By Chris Kirk and Dan Kois

Update, June 19, 2013: As time goes on, our count gets further and further away from the likely actual number of gun deaths in America—because roughly 60 percent of deaths by gun are due to suicides, which are very rarely reported. When discussing this issue, please note that our number is by design not accurate and represents only the number of gun deaths that the media can find out about contemporaneously. Part of the purpose of this interactive is to point out how difficult it is to get accurate real-time numbers on this issue.

Using the most recent CDC estimates for yearly deaths by guns in the United States, it is likely that as of today, 6/28/2013, roughly 16,486 people have died from guns in the United States since the Newtown shootings. Compare that number to the number of deaths reported in the news in our interactive below, and you can see how undertold the story of gun violence in America actually is.
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Looking at these huge death figures we have to wonder why people in the Media are only mentioning a few. The reality is random death and murders in the US is far more common than people like to believe.

In graphic words & images... the kind of violence American Culture seems able to live with is the equivalent of:
America chooses not to attack Syria, and Stephen gets ready to discuss the biggest initials in 20th century literature.  (03:57) : 

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Some of the stuff you hear in TV doesn't seem to take much into account. Here was a recent "debate:

CNN Chief International Correspondent Christiane Amanpour flipped out on the AC360 Later Syria panel Thursday night, calling out the “false moral equivalence” of anti-interventionists. She clashed with blogger Andrew Sullivan over the emotion in the case, shouting down her fellow panelists to get a word in edgewise. After Anderson Cooper and Sullivan brought up the need to separate the emotion from the policy, Amanpour sighed and said, “I can barely contain myself at this point.” She proceeded to go on a rant about the “false moral equivalence” in arguing against going in.

“How many more times do we have to say that weapons of mass destruction were used, and as bad as it is to decapitate somebody, it is by no means equal. We can’t use this false moral equivalence about what’s going on right now. They tried to do it in the second World War, they tried to do it in Bosnia, they tried to do it in Rwanda, and they’re trying to do it now. There is no moral equivalence.”

When the others tried to jump in, Amanpour shouted, “Wait just a second!” She firmly argued that Obama simply cannot allow Assad to get away with using chemical weapons, noting how Bill Clinton is still apologizing for Rwanda. Sullivan jumped in to say, “This is not reason, this is emotion.” Amanpour fired back, “It’s not emotion. This is history coming out.”

They clashed over whether turning away from such terrible crimes is sometimes in America’s national interests, while Charles Blow accused Amanpour of painting a “false choice” about not caring about dead kids and not wanting to bomb Syria. She cried, “Nobody’s saying that! You’re playing rhetorical games!”

Watch the video HERE, via CNN.


Related articles reflecting a certain level of "heartlessness" that exists in the States today (mostly hidden from view):

7 Instances of All-Out, Mean-Spirited, Right-Wing Lunacy From This Week Alone - A Christian radio host says he’s happy to attend same-sex marriages as long as the grooms are told they deserve to die.

VIDEO: Jon Stewart Eviscerates "Succubus-Like" Fox, and Dissects Improbable Rise of a Diplomatic Solution to the Syrian Crisis -
After a build-up to war, media got a case of the "blue bombs."


Dear NRA, Are You Really Going to Tell Me 'Guns Don't Kill Children, Children Kill Children'?
- Startling statistics reveal the deadly and tragic consequences of America's infatuation with firearms.

5 Screwed Up New Ways America Is Abusing the Homeless - Cities are cracking down on the homeless in endlessly nasty ways.

How Weird Christian Right Beliefs Impact America - What you see on Breitbart or the Blaze or the 700 Club is just the tip of a massive iceberg of what’s really going on in conservative Christian circles.

Domestic Abuse? Fatal Shooting? Take George Zimmerman's Guns Away, Already - Why are people like Zimmerman so protected?

When Did Sadness Become a Disease? How We've Pathologized Everyday Life - Here’s the bad news: you’re stressed out and depressed. The good news? According to two recent books, you’ve got a lot of company.

Heartless: Nevada Dumps 1,500 Mental Patients Via One - Way Greyhound Ticket to California - City of San Francisco and state of California begin formal suit against neighboring state.

John Kerry Couldn't Sell a Used Car - It's not entirely Kerry's fault that he had to come on stage after Colin Powell's performance, but it is his fault that he's flubbed all of his lines.

How Southern Slavery Turns White People Into Republicans 150 Years Later - The legacy of slavery continues to drive voters in areas that once housed large numbers of slaves to vote Republican. - It's the Southern Strategy gone wild times 2!

John Kerry's Extremely Unconvincing Case for Syria Attack - Kerry says this will be an "unbelievably small, limited kind of effort." So what will it accomplish then?


The Wealthy 'Make Mistakes', the Poor Go to Jail - I left my Wall Street trader job and began photographing drug addicts in NYC. These two worlds have entirely different rules.

College Students Cheer Sex Abuse - A freshman week chant shows how deep rape culture goes.


Food Stamp Recipients Forced to Work 20 Hours a Week in Exchange for $132 a Month in Food Stamps - Not a great deal.

Hate Women, Make Money: 8 Ads and Products That Take Sexism to New Lows - Forget metaphors or subtle stereotyping, these ads and products let contempt for women stand front and center.


Pastor Who Claimed He Raped Teenage Boys to Keep Them "Sexually Pure" Will Not Serve Jail Time - Iowa's "rape the gay away" pastor gets his sentence reduced and visitation rights with his children.


Trayvon Martin's Medical Examiner: Prosecution Threw the Case - Fired Zimmerman trial coroner says conviction was never going to happen.

Texas Is About to Execute a Man Because He Was in a Gang - Robert Garza is scheduled to die for belonging to the same gang as a killer.



Zimmerman wasn't a particularly stable person to begin with, but in their zeal to push the Southern Strategy a media circus was created whereby a vigilante stalker was released because the one he chased wasn't famous. Or something like that (there is even less logic in the trial!).

Zimmerman is Another ‘Sandy Hook’ Waiting To Happen

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